Question from a radio talk-show host: Gary, what is the one Bible chapter and verse that you think best sums up the Bible?
Gary DeVaney: I view that would be Luke 19:27.
Q: Why?
Matthew 13:36 & 53 Jesus' disciples requested for Jesus to speak to them in parables - so that they could better understand Jesus.
Luke 19:27
Jesus said:"As for My enemies who would not have Me be King over them, bring them before Me andslay them."
In Luke 19:27, Jesus Christ explains Himself to His disciples in a parable that reads - if you do not accept this un-named king, who was expanding His kingdom, then, you are to be brought before Him and slain.
Who, besides Jesus Christ, Biblically stressed His agenda of "Expanding His Kingdom"? This evil parable has a parallel:
Luke 19:27's Parallel Dogma Of Salvation
If you do not accept Jesus Christ as your savior - you will suffer "Eternal-Torment" in Hell.
When Was Jesus Christ "The King Of The Jews"?
Luke 19:27 best expresses the murderous, torturous attitude and the evil, blackmail threat of Jesus Christ and the Biblical God.
Luke 19:27 explains that if you don't obey Jesus Christ and make Him your authority / King, you are to be slain.
Luke 19:27 documents Jesus Christ as being a tyrannical terrorist to Human Beings and that the New Testament continues to qualify as a terrorist handbook.
Many heated debates have authoritatively taken issue with Luke 19:27.
Remember: Upon numerous requests of His disciples, like in Matthew 13:36 & 53, Jesus spoke to them in parables.
What is a parable according to the dictionary?
Parable: A short, simple story from which a moral lesson can be drawn. It is usually an allegory. To represent, by fiction, a fable.
The dictionary documents that a parable represents fiction? What, concerning Jesus Christ, proves not to be fiction? Remember when Jesus transformed into His "transfigured body" in Matthew 17:1-9 and Mark 9:2-9? What fiction!
Luke 19:27 Jesus Christ said to His disciples: "But those, mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. KJV
Is this a Bible contradiction to Jesus' teaching in Matthew 5:44: "Love thy enemy?"
Let's break it down: Who was speaking to His disciples in Luke 19:27? It was Jesus Christ - was it not? Yes. If not, who, by name, do you say was speaking?
Jesus, to explain Himself, used a parable of a "noble-man", who is expanding his kingdom. Wasn't Jesus expanding His Kingdom? If that is not the case, what is the purpose of Jesus' parable? What other individual, by name, does the New Testament promote to be "expanding his kingdom" within the context of Luke 19:27?
Jesus Expanding His Kingdom?
If the Bible C&Vs quoting Jesus' words confuse thinking, truth-seekers, what grade does Jesus Christ get as a teacher?
Review: Did Jesus Christ speak in parables? Yes. Did Jesus use parables to better explain Himself to others? Yes.
A myth is a human attempt to explain our world by means of a fictional story. Jesus used myths to teach and describe Himself to His audience as to who He was and what He and His agenda was about. Jesus used fictitious stories, myths, parables, and allegories to explain Himself to the World. Jesus also used these fictitious stories to explain what He required from His disciples and from - by consequence of "Eternal Torment" - all mankind.
What moral lesson did Jesus teach in Luke 19:27?
Voltaire wrote: "Christianity is the most ridiculous, the most absurd and bloody religion that has ever infected the world."
Voltaire, Sir - that took balls!
Jesus' moral parable explains His personal message to you that if you don't allow Jesus Christ to be your King, authority, ruler, over you, you are to be slain in front of Him.
Jesus' parallel lesson in Luke 19:27 to Revelation 20:10-15 is: If you don't accept Jesus Christ as your savior, you will suffer eternal torment. What moral lessons! What an evil tyrant! What a monster! Why would you ever authoritatively teach this evil to others?
Revelation 20:10 And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Redundantly, Luke 19:27 parallels your being slain with Revelation 20:10 which describes what your eternal-torment is about. If you don't convert, obey and serve and accept Jesus Christ as your King and savior - in addition to being slain - you will suffer eternal-torment.
Revelation 20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
(And, they / we will also be tormented day and night forever and ever?)
What was Jesus’ specific moral point of the Luke 19:27 parable? It was to teach you that if you do not follow, serve and obey Jesus Christ and if your name was not found in God's "Book Of Life", you would suffer eternal-torment. Think about it! That’s even more disgusting and cruel than just slaying you. And, this is not Satan doing this - it is Jesus Christ!
What Christian would say that Jesus is not God? If you claim that Jesus Christ is NOT God - are you sure you are a true, believing Christian?
Then Jesus states His "evil" agenda to His disciples in:
Mark 4:11-12 Jesus said: ... But, to those outside everything comes in parables so that they look and see but not perceive and hear and listen but do not understand, in order that thy may not be converted and be forgotten.
The Forgotten?
Knowing that Jesus Christ said this, and that Jesus did not want many people saved, do you feel more like you do now than you did before?
"Judgment Day" is when God judges if you have served Him on His terms during your lifetime on Earth. God's judgment determines if you will be "saved" to then serve, grovel, worship and praise at the feet of God and Jesus 24/7 for eternity.
Is it true that Jesus spoke more of Hell than He spoke of Heaven? Yes.
Those who are not "saved" will suffer "Eternal-Torment" according to the book of Revelation. However, Ezekiel 25 - 28 also indicates what happens at the "end-time". If you not selected by God, you will expire, as Satan expires, by fire, and turning into ashes from within. The KJV Companion Bible notes claim that the King of Tyre is actually Satan. Satan is documented to turn into ashes from within and to exist no more. If Human Souls have the same fate as Satan, we also turn into ashes and exist no more. No afterlife. No "Eternal Torment".
The Revelation version contradicts Ezekiel as Revelation has Jesus slaughter all humanity. And then, after the thousand year "millennium" - followed by "The Judgment-Day" - Revelation, conversely, documents "Eternal Torment".
Clergy would not have much of a following using Ezekiel's "expiration" version. They want to preach Revelation's fearful "Eternal Torment" so that they can spread more misery and make more guilt-ridden money.
Eternal Torment?
God is documented to kill millions of human beings in the Old Testament because they did not obey and act as if God was King over them. (See: "The God Murders" on this website.) If Jesus is God - the statement fits. The unnamed nobleman / king is Jesus Christ, Himself. God proved to be angry when the Israelites chose a human king (Saul) over themselves - as God wanted to be King over them.
If you do not convert to Christianity and, in essence, make Jesus Christ King over you, you will go to Hell. The parable fits Jesus being the unnamed nobleman / King. What other known King could it be? Every C&V points to Jesus Christ and no one else.
Christianity demands one God, one Savior and a new Christian "One World Order". Christianity demands that their King be the King over everybody. Christians promote that the punishment of death and eternal torment befall all who do not conform. Like them, Christians demand that you be saved to serve God and Jesus Christ during your lifetime and then to further serve Them for eternity.
The New Christian One World Order?
The New Jerusalem?
Gloria Steinem: "By the year 2000, we will, I hope, raise our children to believe in human potential, not God."
but those my enemies, who did not wish me to reign over them, bring hither and slay before me.'
Geneva Study Bible: But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
People's New Testament: 19:27 Those my enemies. This portrays the fate, not of church members, but of those who would not have the Lord reign over them. It embraces all the impenitent. Compare
So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth and sever the wicked from among the just ,
People’s New Testament
13:49 So shall it be at the end of the world. Then, not men, but the angels under the direction of the Son of Man, shall sever the wicked from the just.
If you view that there is an error or a lack of homework concerning Luke 19:27 - please submit your correction.
Debate with Clergy Richard in India:
Gary: Jesus also said: And as for those who would not have Me be King over them, bring them before Me and slay them.
Richard: Dear Gary, Jesus did not say this. you are misquoting Jesus. Behavior is understood in the context of intentions, beliefs, and settings or context. What are your intentions Gary in raising the questions, is it to understand or attack.
G: Sir R. Anytime someone quotes a Bible C&V, he or she is partially picking and choosing and that C&V could be considered "out of context". Each Bible C&V (of substance & importance) has a context and an importance of its own. Try Luke 19:27, R, and explain to all of us what that specific Bible Chapter & Verse means. Specifically, what did Jesus mean in Luke 19:27? I would really like to know what you would have your followers believe concerning Luke 19:27. I view that if Jesus will slay me if I don't accept Jesus as my King to be unjust and tyrannical. But, Jesus also promises "Eternal Torment" if He is not obeyed. How can that punishment fit any crime? The Bible explains its God better than any book outside of it. R, you asked: What are your intentions Gary in raising the questions, is it to understand or attack. R, my work is not an attack so much as it debates the controversial C&Vs of the Bible. If I am incorrect, submit your correction. Can you explain to all of us why clergy will never debate a controversial Bible C&V that has been taken issue with? Regards, G
R: Hi Gary, you have raised the issue of Justice of God. I am happy the Hitlers of this world will not go unpunished, but in your belief system, Hitlers escape. That is what I said earlier you have no concept of absolute justice. And remember Jesus loves you. Also remember dust is not the destiny of humans as you believe it.
G: Sir R, you recommend books. The Bible explains, describes and documents the Biblical God and His insane, murderous deeds better than any other book written. I'll stick to the Bible for its God and Jesus descriptions - thank you. I don't recall our ...discussing Hitler in this debate. I view that Hitler should have been executed for his war crimes and so should former President George W. Bush and His gang. President Obama is showing that he is guilty as well. Yes, all those believers / book writers have their "answers". Again, what is your answer to Luke 19:27, R? R, you never really answers my specific questions. I know that some people prefer to talk AT people rather than TO them. 30 years ago, I too was a licensed, ordained Christian minister. I now view that if someone is going to believe in, promote, worship, and finance the Biblical God, he or she should know what the controversial Bible C&Vs document about this God. Are you going to address Luke 19:27, R? Regards, G
R: Interesting, Gary, you are talking about executing Hitler. Justice in you have woken up. I will most certainly answer Luke 19:27. In the context in which it is written, in my next thread.
G: I am truly excited and waiting impatiently, Sir R, to see your explanation of Luke 19:27. If you do explain Luke 19:27 in depth, I honestly can never again claim that you never answer my specific questions. Regards, G
R: The Parable of the Ten Minas: Luke 19:11-27. This parable has a historical background. Both Herod in 40 BC and Archelaus in 4 B.C. went to Rome to receive ruling authority from the emperor. There was a public outcry against Archelaus, who was... unpopular and received a less comprehensive ruing mandate.
In this parable the rejection of Jesus, the third servant takes the centre stage. You will remember Gary John saying .He came to his own but his own received him not, Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name he gave the right to become children of God,(John 1:11,12).
The third servant never trusted the Messiah. The master’s response to others shows him to be anything but “hard.” The wicked servant has no clue to his mater’s true character, and his words reveal his ignorance. This one who has no trust in God’s goodness, even though he or she has a connection to God, has no relationship with him and ends up with nothing.
Luke says nothing about the fate of the third servant, but he does return finally to the fate of the citizens who refused to accept the nobleman’s rule. The language is used to characterize the disobedient citizens, whose unwillingness to serve the new monarch is described in terms drawn from v.14. They suffer typical fate of ancient rebels. To slaughter, strike down, was not uncommon for such massacres to take place before the rulers presence (cf. 1 Sam 15:33). This revenge is not attested of Archaelus, although he ruled in cruel fashion and it would not be out of character (cf. Jos. Ant. 17:342).
The language although strange to us, is such as would make sense to Jesus’ hearers and convey to them the seriousness of their position, if they reject God’s offer of grace, love and forgiveness.
Gary you are completely out of tune if you think Jesus could order slaughter of people during Roman rule. He would have been caught immediately. Although that is what you are intending to say, as if you have a case against Jesus.
Sadhu Sunder Singh, a Sikh convert to Jesus Christ was right when he said; we choose to go to hell. God has given us the capacity to choose. What have you chosen Gary; return to dust or relationship with Eternal Lover of the world, revealed in Jesus Christ, gave his life as a ransom for us and rose again victorious from the grave.
Only Christian faith of all the religions in this world the Bible teaches, God loves, billions have experienced his love. Have you missed it Gary. Love is relationship. God love you also Gary. Why run away from God? A
text out of context is a pretext. I am afraid that is what you are doing.
G: Hi R. You actually answered my question concerning Luke 19:27! I am proud of you and I am confident that you did the best that you could. In Luke 19:27 Jesus commands that if anyone, including you and me, would not have Jesus be King over us, to bring us before Jesus and to slay us - does it not? Forget the coins story. It is irrelevant to Jesus' command in Luke 19:27. Luke 19:27 is all I am taking issue with. "Out of context"? Don't care. Luke 19:27 has an importance and a context of its own. Jesus wants us slain according to the text for voting Him out as our King. Jesus certainly does not support democracy - does He? If only a tyrant would demand that you and / or I be slain if we don't accept Him as our King, Jesus would certainly qualify as a tyrant. How could Jesus not qualify as a tyrant by His statement? To threaten to slay someone for their disobedience is an act of terrorism. Jesus proves to be a terrorist. I know. The US Government is terrorizing the planet anywhere that it does not get obedience. Those who don't obey the USA gets murdered by military might. You know what, R, if Jesus personally tried to slay you for not obeying Him - Jesus Christ would have to go through me to get to you. That's the Army Officer in me. Don't take it personally. I luvs ya but I'd do that for anyone. I don't care about what was customary to be heard to those superstitious, stupid times - if Jesus / God does not change, Jesus condones and orders the slaying of those who would not have Jesus be King over them - just like, I am sad to say, the US Government is doing. Your answer was kinda weak / watered-down concerning Jesus' command to have them brought before Jesus and to slay them. But, you did your best and I cannot fault you for that. It did show some courage. Thanks, R. Regards, G
Sir R! I posted our debate on our website concerning Luke 19:27. If you go to The God Murders and scroll down to the Luke 19:27 link, you will see a few things. I referred to you as R - unless you would prefer your full name and even... your picture. If so, I'll do that for you. There, you will see numerous Bible versions of Luke 19:27 and how many different Bibles word it. Your chronic claim that Jesus' words - and their meanings - are "out of context" remains humorous. Btw, did you ever read the page: Did Jesus Christ Lie? It also consists of "out of context" Bible C&Vs. Hummm, after going over your answer again concerning Luke 19:27, did any of that come out of your mind or did you refer to other's books or articles? Either way, you attempted to address the question and I thank you for that. I know that you will not intellectually understand this nor emotionally accept it - but - my life was pretty miserable up through being a licensed Christian clergy. After I did my documented study of the Bible and resigned my clergy status and retired from the military, I have been happier than I could ever have perceived over that past 30 years. As an Atheist, I do not account to the Judeo-Christian-Islamic God nor the billions who threaten Eternal Torment if I don't, again, give up my freedom. I've loved these past 30 years. No one can take those fantastic years away from me. These debates are for the living - for one second after we are dead, none of this will have mattered due to our eternal non-existence. Regards, G
