JESUS
Catholic
/ KJV
by
Gary DeVaney
No one knows, with certainty, when or where Jesus
was born.
Old Testament "prophesy": Isaiah 7:14 The "virgin" (almah) shall be with child and his name shall be
Immanuel.
In Isaiah’s day, the Hebrew word "almah" merely meant
a young woman - not a virgin.
And, why is the Messiah's name Jesus Christ instead of "Immanuel"?
Who calls Jesus "Immanuel" when referring to Him? Do you call Jesus Christ "Immanuel" when referring to Him? Did not
Isaiah state: "His name shall be Immanuel."
Some insist that Jesus is a Greek name, not Hebrew. His Hebrew
name should be pronounced "Yeshua" or "Joshua" according to Pastor Arnold Murray.
"Immanuel means" - "God with us".
"Jesus Christ" means - "Savior Annointed". The words
"Savior Annointed" seem more like an identifing nomenclature
rather than a proper name.
Doesn't the Isaiah: 7:14 "prophesy" prove to be bogus? Would
your explanation of it be based on what is written C&V?
I tend to take some issue with: "The Star In The East."
Matthew 2:1-2&9 Wise men came saying: Where is He that is born
King of the Jews? For we have seen His star in the east… KJV
West of Bethlehem lies the Mediterranean Sea. These wise men must have come from the east. Some say they were Persian
Kings. A popular song says they were from the Orient. If these men came from the east, wouldn’t following a star
hovering over Bethlehem be, to them, a star in the west?
Matthew 1:16 Jacob was the father of Joseph, the husband
of Mary…
This introduction to Joseph and Mary starts off with Joseph being
Mary's husband. Doesn’t husband mean that Mary was already married to Joseph?
Then, 2 verses later in:
Matthew 1:18 Mary was betrothed (Catholic) espoused (KJV)
to Joseph but before they lived together she was pregnant.
Note: Specific KJV or Catholic Bible sources are sometimes
illustrated as sometimes the wording of the 2 sources differ - but the basic message is mostly the same.
Fact: Jesus Christ was conceived out of wedlock? Yes. If
it were anyone else, from a legal and a moral standpoint, wouldn’t this birth be considered illegitimate? Yes. Throughout
history, have righteous Judeo-Christians ever ridiculed males born out of wedlock by calling them "bastards"? Yes. Of course,
that term could never apply here - but, would it apply if it weren't Jesus? Yes.
Holman Bible Dictionary: "King Herod The Great" was an actual historical
character who died in 4 BC . The Bible depicted that this specific "King Herod The Great" killed new-born babies
in an attempt to kill Jesus, the future King of the Jews. Jesus escaped with His parents, Mary and Joseph,
to Egypt. (Matthew: chapter 2)
Note: Jesus Christ had to be born between 4-6 BC for King Herod
The Great to try to kill Jesus. How could Jesus Christ possibly be born 4-6 years before Himself? Based on this little-known
fact, how can our calendar be truly based on the Birth of Jesus Christ? Don't most believers consider any calendar
date "BC" to mean Before Christ? When challenged, some believers immediately refer to "BCE" to mean
Before Current Era. The topic taken issue with is "BC", "Before Christ".
What is your personal "spin" on the topic?
"Immaculate Conception"
Webster's International and Oxford American Dictionaries:
The "Immaculate Conception" is a doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church in that the Virgin Mary, from the moment of her
conception by her mother, was and remained free of original sin. This was proclaimed as dogma by Pope Pious IX in 1854.
It is sometimes confused with Mary giving "virgin birth" to Jesus.
Webster's: "Virgin Birth"
(Parthenogenesis): In Christian theology, Jesus Christ was born
to Mary without prejudice to her virginity. Mary was Jesus' only human (genetic) parent. With no human DNA contributed,
by present day standards, Jesus must have been a clone of Mary. If Jesus qualified to be a clone of "The Virgin Mary", wouldn't
Jesus Christ have been born a female?
According to this claim, Jesus can genetically have only
23 human chromosomes - which were derived only from His mother, Mary. If it takes 46 human chromosomes to fully qualify
to be a human being, how can Jesus Christ fully qualify to be human? God and the Holy Spirit do not claim to be
human. Doesn't Jesus Christ have to be fully human, to live as a human being and to be sacrificed as a perfect human being
for the "salvation" of all humanity? If Jesus is not a full and perfect human being, does that in any way
alter the despicable, sacrificing agenda that the Biblical God pre-planned (predestined), intended, orchestrated and
executed?
The Catholics maintain that "THe Virgin Mary"
remained a virgin all her life. Logically, how can any woman physically remain a virgin if a child came through her
vaginal birth cannel? There is no mention of Jesus Christ being born by cesarean section. Also, if MAry remained a virgin,
where did Jesus' brothers James, Joses, Judas and Simon come from? There is no Biblical evidence that Mary's husband, Joseph,
brought children into their marriage.
Why do some believers, mostly Catholics, insist that
Mary maintained her virginity after Jesus was born?
Because Mark 6:3 documents: Is He (Jesus) not the son of Mary,
the brother of James, Joses, Judas and Simon?
Luke 2:7 & John 2:12 also provide evidence that Jesus
had brothers and sisters.
Specifically, if Mary sexually consummated her marriage with Joseph
to make the marriage legal and she had more children, how could Mary have remained a virgin?
What Biblical and believing absurdity! "Faith" apparently can be
stretched to infinity.
C. Dennis McKinsey: Christianity stands or falls upon The Virgin
Birth and The Resurrection.
Matthew 1:19 Joseph was minded to put Mary away privately.
KJV
What? Joseph was thinking of killing Mary at one point in
time?
Matthew 1:19 Joseph, at one point, had decided to divorce
Mary quietly. Catholic
Divorce is serious, but in this case divorce is not
necessary if Joseph and Mary were not yet married. What is the real story?
Here is a C&V example whereby the KJV and the Catholic version do state different things. The
KJV states that Joseph thought to kill Mary; whereby, the Catholic version has Joseph, at one point, deciding to quitely divorce
Mary. Oh, what to believe!
By the way, according to Jeremiah 3:8, the Biblical God, Himself, is
a divorcee. God issued a "bill of divorce" to Israel due to her infidelity and her worshipping of other gods. Rarely do Catholics
read their Bible. How many Catholics know this? This being a Biblical fact, why are Catholics against divorce?
Two Catholic Bible Notes (BN):
BN 1. The genetic line is broken, but the promises to David
are fulfilled. Through Joseph’s ADOPTION, the child, Jesus, belongs to the line of David.
What? Adoption? What is this Catholic Bible Note saying?
Jesus Christ's blood-tie to King David is now being claimed, spun-off and pacified to be by "adoption"?
How can that be? Would you buy that? I know - to believe means
that you have bought in to what you believe - and that you have become mind-set about it. With a true believer - thinking
has stopped. Do you claim that to be the case with you?
BN 2. Joseph wished to break his union with Mary whom he suspected
of a gross violation of the law which was punishable by stoning one to death.
WHAT! The Catholic Bible Notes (BN) said these things?
Luke 1:30-31 An Angel (Gabriel) told Mary: You will conceive and
bear a son you will name Jesus.
What? Why is He not named Immanuel according
to Isaiah 7:14? The Bibles promises, prophecies and forecasts are proven to be not valid or consistent.
Luke 1:32 He (Jesus) will be called Son of The Most High and God
will give Him the throne of David, His father.
When did Jesus Christ ever get the throne of King David?
Luke 1:33 He (Jesus) will rule over the house of Jacob
(The Jews?) forever.
C. Dennis McKinsey: When did Jesus ever rule over
the house of Jacob, the Jews?
Sorry, but right here in Luke 1:30-33, the Bible has documented
some blatant falsehoods and prophesized some outright C&V lies.
Mary asked: How shall this be, being that I know not a man?
(Good question, Mary. Btw, Mary, how old are you? 12-14 years old?) Gabriel said: The Holy Spirit will come upon you. The
son you bear shall be called The Son of God.
"The Trinity"
The Trinity claims that: Jesus is God - God is The Holy
Spirit - The Holy Spirit is Jesus.
If Jesus is the Holy Spirit, then Jesus impregnated His
Own mother, Mary, to produce Himself.
Nice, virtuous scenario - huh? However, one must accept
that Jesus impregnated Mary, His Own mother, to believe in "The Trinity". As angry as it may make you, you can't have it both
ways and if you are honest - there is no wiggle-room. If Jesus is the Holy-Spirit - then - Jesus actually "knocked-up"
His Own mother.
Perspectives from television: Mysteries of the Bible*
* Nazareth, today, is hallowed by Christians as the home of Jesus
Christ. The Church of the Annunciation has for centuries been one of Christianity’s holy sites. The church was built
on the site of the house of Mary and Joseph.
Luke 1:36 (The Angel, Gabriel, said to Mary): Elizabeth, your
relative, in her old age, is in her 6th month having conceived a son…
This pregnancy resulted in the birth of John the Baptist.
* The Cave of the Annunciation is where the Angel, Gabriel,
announced to Mary of her conception of Jesus Christ. The Cave of the Annunciation is thought to be the dwelling place
of the holy-family, which lies beneath the church.
Was Mary already living with Joseph when Gabriel made his announcement?
* (Program comment.) The very idea of a "virgin birth" by human
beings is something that transcends our scientific understanding.
So - John
the Baptist and Jesus Christ were cousins just 6-months apart in age? Did John
the Baptist later baptize Jesus Christ? Mary's mother and John the Baptist's mother (Elizabeth) were sisters. Isn't this becoming
a family affair?
C. Dennis McKinsey: If Joseph was not the genetic father
of Jesus Christ, then Jesus could not have been of King David’s seed; thus, not the Messiah. Ergo, Christians
must abandon either "The Virgin Birth" or that Jesus was "The Messiah". If the virgin birth is bogus, is anything else written
about Jesus trustworthy? If Jesus is not virgin-born, then how can He be God?"
Thank you so much Dennis McKinsey!
* In Bethlehem, there is The Church of the Nativity beneath which
was a cave where Christ was supposedly born. For centuries, Christians have revered it as the birthplace of their Lord. Outside
is manger square. A silver star marks the place where Jesus was said to be born. A Latin inscription says: Here Jesus Christ
was born of The Virgin Mary.
Finis: Mysteries of the Bible.
Having trouble? Suggestion: Stop! Pick it up again when you are
in an investigative mood.
Galatians 4:4 Paul said: Jesus was made of a woman made under
the law… KJV
Galatians 4:4 Paul said: Jesus was born of a woman born under
the law… Catholic
Paul was
the biggest NT writer about Jesus. Paul said nothing unusual about the birth
of Jesus. Doesn’t “born under the law” mean that Mary
had married Joseph, had sex with Joseph and bore Jesus legitimately under the law?
Btw, if Mary did maintain her "virginity" throughout her
life, as Catholics claim, then Joseph never had sex with Mary. If Joseph never sexually consummated their
marriage, under Judeo-Christian law, Mary and Joseph were never legally married.
Mark, the 1st and earliest gospel writer of the 4,
also said nothing unusual about the birth of Jesus. Did Matthew and Luke read in Mark 1:11: You are my beloved son
in whom I am well pleased and then back up their own stories to include a virgin birth? Did Matthew write about it
first? Did Luke then plagiarize (borrow) this "virtual reality" from Matthew?
Did the OT prophecies speak to the NT writers loud and clear? One
prophecy was: The Messiah would be a descendant of King David, one of Israel’s greatest leaders who was born in Bethlehem.
To fulfill these ancient Davidic prophecies, it may have seemed right to the gospel writers to place the birth of Jesus in
Bethlehem. But is the prophecy being fulfilled or is the questionable myth of Jesus Christ being written to fulfill prophecy?
Some think that Jesus was born in a cave. Luke says Jesus was laid in a manger but does not say He was born there.
Rev 22:16 Jesus said: I am the root and the offspring of David…
Both Matthew 1:1-16 and Luke 3:23-31 conflict in Joseph’s
lineage in being a blood descendant of King David. The lineage is stated to be through Joseph in both cases - not “The
Virgin” Mary’s lineage - as apologist clergy can't help but spin. How else can Clergy attempt to justify it? How
can Jesus be a blood descendant of King David if the genes had to go through Joseph as it is written twice, both in Matthew
and Luke? The blood / genes did not go from King David through Joseph to Jesus Christ. Stating with David's sons, Solomon
and Nathan, why are the names not the same in each lineage? No Biblical C&V claims that the lineage is through
Mary? Does the Bible again prove to be irrational, nonsensical and flawed?
At best, the issue of Jesus' lineage is Biblically unclear.
Mark 2:10 Jesus said: You may know that The Son of Man has the
authority to forgive sins on Earth.
Didn’t the Jews considered that to be blasphemy? Yes,
it contributed to Jesus getting crucified. Do Jews claim there to be any valid history concerning Jesus? If so,
let's see the quality and the source of the Jewish documentation. Let's see how many Jewish Rabbis would support such
documentation.
Mark 2:17 & Luke 5:31 Jesus said: Those who are healthy
and well do not need a physician, but the sick do.
What? Didn't Jesus Christ say, right here, that "the sick need
a physician"?
Colossians 4:14 states that Luke, himself, was a physician.
Concerning physicians, why do Christian Scientists ignore
these last 2 Biblical C&V passages and avoid physicians? Don't Christian Scientists believe Jesus Christ's
Own words? Don't they believe in His apostle, Luke? Do they just pick and choose what C&Vs to believe in and what
C&Vs do not matter? Hummm. Well, everybody else seems to also pick and choose - so - why not? Right?
Truth, feelings and learning may be subjective while objective
C&V facts are the same for all and everybody. The Bibles own words will not conveniently go away for fact-spinning
believers.
John 3:13 Jesus said: No one has gone up to Heaven except
the One who has come down from Heaven, The Son of Man.
But, when Jesus said this, Jesus, Himself, had not yet
gone up to Heaven. If Jesus, Himself, is the only one to have gone up to Heaven, doesn’t that contradict
and eliminate Enoch’s going up to Heaven in Genesis 5:22-24 and Elijah’s going up to Heaven in a whirlwind
in II Kings 2:11 and Angels going up and down, to and from Heaven on "Jacob’s Ladder" in Genesis 28:12?
So, did Jesus Christ utter a falsehood here? Did Jesus get caught in documenting another lie?
Mark 3:20-22 Jesus came home. His relatives set out to seize
Him (Jesus) and said that He (Jesus) was out of His mind and that He (Jesus) was possessed by Satan.
What? Wow! Jesus’ Own relatives said that "He had
Satan in Him and He was out of His mind"? Jesus had been around His relatives for years and He obviously didn't sell
even them on His perfection. Shocking! What kind of Biblical C&V testimony did Jesus Christ's blood relatives give Him?
Mark 3:29 Jesus said: Whoever blasphemes against The Holy Spirit
will never have forgiveness, but is guilty of everlasting sin.
If Jesus Christ is the "Holy Spirit", it is obvious
that Jesus' relatives have committed the "unpardonable sin" and we can probably expect to see them in Hell for eternity.
Btw, is Jesus' forgiveness conditional or is His forgiveness not
conditional? Based on Jesus' statement in Mark 3:29, can one have it both ways?
John 3:36 Jesus said: Whoever disobeys the Son will not
see life, but the wrath of God remains upon him.
This confirms that Jesus wants to be obeyed and if you disobey
Jesus, you won't see life and the wrath of God will be on you.
It seems that Jesus' and God's "good cop / bad cop" roles
could sometimes be reversed. I don't know. God always plays the BAD COP role much better. Satan doesn't even amount
to an EXTRA in this poor written production.
Obedience, service and sacrifice to authority - this
is the real agenda of the God-game. "God" and "Authority" are synonymous and interchangeable in every Biblical
context.
Mark 4:11-12 Jesus said to His 12 disciples: The mystery of the
Kingdom has been granted to you. To those outside, everything comes in parables so that they may not understand
in order that they may not be converted and forgiven. Catholic
Why the secrets? Does Jesus speak to everyone outside of
his 12 disciples in a manner that they may not understand? Does Jesus talk to them in a way that they can not
be converted or forgiven? God often did the same thing in The Old Testament. Here are some examples:
I Kings 22:19-23 God permits His prophets to lie and deceive
others on His behalf. God put a lying spirit in the mouths of all these prophets…
What? Do you personally believe in and preach these sacred Chapter &
Verses?
How about this one:
Ezekiel 20:25-28 God said: I gave them statutes and ordinances that were not
good so they could not live.
Wouldn't you think that the
Biblical God would be more decent than that.
II Thessalonians 2:11-12 God is sending them a deceiving power so that they
may believe the lie, that all who approved wrongdoing may be condemned.
John 4:22 Jesus said: You people
worship what you do not understand. We worship what we understand, because salvation is of the Jews. KJV
What? Salvation is a racial thing? Didn't Jesus make a racial statement?
I'll help you. Yes.
Mark 4:34
To His Own disciples Jesus explained everything in private.
Again, why the secrets if Jesus is good, open, sincere and
honest? What kind of "models of integrity" are Jesus and God projecting themselves to be, C&V. How can institutions like
West Point and Annapolis expect to live up to a higher standard than God's and Jesus' obvious C&V standards?
Galatians 5:16-18 Live by the spirit and you will not fulfill
the lusts of your flesh. The flesh desires against the spirit and the spirit against the flesh; these are opposed to each
other so you may not do what you want. If you are guided by the spirit, you are not under the law.
So, if you are on God's side - you can break the law? What?
If you are guided by the spirit, you are not under the law? Aren’t these Biblical guidelines designed for poor
mental-health and penitentiary living?
Thomas Paine: Outside of the New Testament writings, there is no
history written at the time Jesus Christ is said to have lived that speaks of the existence of such a person, even as a man.
So - Thomas Paine asserts that, on behalf of history, Jesus Christ
never lived as a man! Wow! That is apt to frustrate some believers.
Well - maybe Josephus. He was a documented, historical Jewish
writer. Many scholars view that the few elementary statements Josephus is credited to have written about Jesus may have
been added by later scribes to falsely validate the questionable and mythical existence of Jesus Christ.
Are these C&V passages surprising and controversial to you?
Relax and check your mood about them.
Believers have said: I am totally upset. I don't know how anybody
can take such issues with my Jesus, my God and my Bible. I'm totally offended! You're going to Hell!
John 5:18 The Jews tried to kill Jesus because He not only broke
the Sabbath but He also called God His Own Father, making Himself equal to God.
If Jesus is stated to be "equal to" God, how can Jesus actually
be God? How can any father and son be, in reality, the same person?
John 5:19-30 Jesus said: A son can’t do anything on his own,
only what he sees his father do for what he does his son will do also. (Oh yeah, what about the brain-surgeon whose father
sold cars?) Just as the Father raises the dead so does the Son give life to whomever He wishes. (What? Jesus does
discriminate?) Whoever honors the Son honors the Father and whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the
Father. (So, one can not honor God without Jesus? No wonder Muslims, Jews and numerous other believers are upset.)
Whoever hears Me and believes in God has eternal life and not condemnation. The hour is now here when the dead will hear
the voice of Jesus and those who hear will live. God gave Jesus the power to exercise judgment, because He is The Son
of Man. The hour comes when all who are in the tombs will hear His voice and will come out. Good deeds is resurrection
of life; wicked deeds, condemnation. I cannot do anything on My own. I judge as I hear. I don’t seek
My Own will but the will of God.
Jesus judges deeds / works! Jesus seeks God’s will,
not His Own? Again, by Jesus' Own words, how can Jesus be God?
John 5:21-22 As God raises the dead and gives life, so does the
Son give life to whomever He wishes. Nor does God judge anyone, but He has given all judgment to His Son.
