Catholic / KJV
Jesus Christ was probably not an historical character.
No one knows, with certainty, when or where Jesus Christ was born.
The word "Jesus" is of Hebrew origin. The meaning of "Jesus" is "The Lord is salvation".
"Christ" is the English term - from the Greek term "Christos" or "Khristos" - which means "Messiah" / "The Anointed One". Because Christ comes from the Greek word for Messiah, Christos, Christ is NOT Jesus’ last name. It is a title given to Him by Christians - expressing their belief that Jesus is the Messiah. The words "Jesus Christ" are often defined as "Savior Anointed". Jesus Christ could be a nomenclature and not a proper name. Jesus Christ may be a title like "Vice President" rather than a proper name.
Was Jesus Christ a real, historical, flesh and blood Human Being or was Jesus Christ a fictitious character - defined by a title?
Old Testament prophesy: Isaiah 7:14 The "virgin" (almah) shall be with child and his name shall be Immanuel.
In Isaiah’s day, the Hebrew word "almah" meant a young woman / a maiden - not a virgin.
The Hebrew term "Immanuel" means "God With Us".
So, why is the Messiah's name Jesus Christ instead of "Immanuel"? Who today calls Jesus Christ "Immanuel"? Did not Isaiah state: "His name shall be Immanuel." Does the Bible contradict itself?
Why do Churches disregard that Jesus Christ's name should be "Immanuel" as prophesized by Isaiah 7:14?
Pastor Arnold Murray insists that Jesus is a Greek name, not Hebrew. Jesus' Hebrew name should be pronounced "Yahshua" or "Joshua" - "Immanuel means" - "God with us" and that "Jesus Christ" means - "Savior Anointed".
Doesn't the Isaiah: 7:14 "prophesy" prove to be bogus concerning Jesus Christ?
About 356 years before the supposed birth of Jesus Christ - lived Alexander-the-Great, (Born July 356 BC / Died June 323 BC). The historical dates of Alexander's birth and death are exact. There is a complete history of his mother, father, their origins and their fates. There is no record of Joseph's or Mary's fate - is there? Jesus' grand-parents had no Bible documented interest in Jesus. How realistic is that? Are you 100% sure that Jesus Christ lived - as described - by the New Testament?
Holman Bible Dictionary: "King Herod-the-Great" was an actual historical character. The Bible documented that this specific "King Herod-the-Great" is the same King who, in Matthew chapter 2, sent soldiers into Bethlehem to kill all the children 2-years-old and under in his attempt to kill Jesus Christ, the future King of the Jews. God warned Joseph in a dream and Jesus, Mary and Joseph escaped to Egypt.
King Herod-The-Great was documented to have died in 4 BC. In religious circles, BC is Before Christ.
How could Jesus Christ be born 4-6 years before Himself? How can our calendar be based on the Birth of Jesus Christ?
When challenged, some believers immediately refer to "BCE" to mean Before Current Era.
Why is the birth of Jesus Christ credited for the calander we use?
The topic taken issue with is "BC", "Before Christ". If Jesus was not born on calendar date - January 1st of "0" AD - what is historically correct about Jesus Christ?
These factors severely weaken the probability that Jesus Christ was a historical character.
In its Nativity account, the Gospel of Matthew associates the birth of Jesus with the reign of Herod the Great, who is generally believed to have died around 4 BC / BCE. Matthew 2:1 states that: "Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the King" and Luke 1:5 mentions the reign of Herod shortly before the birth of Jesus. Luke's gospel also describes the birth as taking place during the first census, which is generally believed to have occurred in 6 AD / CE. Most scholars generally assume a date of birth between 6 and 4 BC / BCE.
I, Gary DeVaney, Bible C&V critic, take issue with: The Star In The East.
Matthew 2:1-2&9 Wise men came saying: Where is He that is born King of the Jews? For we have seen His star in the east...KJV
Where Are You When You See A Star In The East?
West of Bethlehem lies the Mediterranean Sea. These wise men are reported to have come from the east. Some say they were Persian Kings. A popular old song says they were from the Orient. If these men came from the east, wouldn’t following a star hovering over Bethlehem be, to them, a star in the west? Things that do not make sense - are not trivial.
Matthew 1:16 Jacob was the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary…
This introduction to Joseph and Mary starts off with Joseph being Mary's husband. Doesn’t this introduction of Joseph and Mary husband mean that Mary was already married to Joseph?
Then, 2 verses later in:
Matthew 1:18 Mary was betrothed (Catholic) espoused (KJV) to Joseph but before they lived together she was pregnant.
Did Jesus' grandfather, Joseph's father, Jacob, and grandmother (no name) ever pay attention to their grandson, the Son-of-God / Jesus Christ?
Did "The Virgin Mary's" mother, who was the one who had the "Immaculate Conception", or Mary's father (no name) ever pay attention to their grandson - the "Son-of-God", Jesus Christ?
Did you ever think of how popular Jesus was not with his grandmothers and his grandfathers on both "The Virgin Mary's" and Joseph's sides of the family? Has anyone ever been concerned or even considered the non-existent reality of these four (4) lack of relationships? Do you have any contributions, comments or ideas concerning this family matter?
Do you claim that Mary remained a virgin? If "The Virgin Mary" had even one son, how could you claim that she remained a virgin? What logic and reason would it take for you to change your story?
Gabriel & The Jesus "Thing"
Luke 1:26-35 God's Angel, Gabriel, told "The Virgin Mary": You shall conceive a son you shall call Jesus who shall reign over the house of Jacob forever. Mary said to Gabriel: How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? Gabriel said: The Holy Ghost shall come upon you. Therefore, also that holy “thing” which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
My Gawd! God"s Angel, Gabriel, called baby Jesus a holy "thing"! Jesus Christ is a "thing"?
C. Dennis McKinsey: When did Jesus Christ ever reign over the "House of Jacob" / the Jews?
Source: "The Encyclopedia Of Biblical Errancy" by C. Dennis McKinsey.
Also Jesus was documented to be born "Son of God" - not God. Ergo, Jesus is not God.
Colossians 1:15-21 And He (Jesus) is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of all creation.
If Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is the first-born of all creation, How can Jesus be God?
Luke 1:26-35, the Bible has documented some blatant falsehoods and prophesized some outright C&V lies.
Bible Contradictions are adding up. Can somebody keep count?
Who "Knocked-Up" 13-Year-Old "The Virgin Mary"?
The Trinity claims that: Jesus is God - God is The Holy Ghost - The Holy Ghost is Jesus.
If Jesus is the Holy Ghost, then Jesus Christ impregnated His Own mother, Mary, to produce Himself.
Do Christians consider this to be a nice, holy, virtuous, sacred scenario? One must believe that Jesus Christ impregnated "The Virgin Mary" - His own mother - to believe in "The Trinity". As angry as it may make you, you can not have it both ways. If you are honest - there is no wiggle-room. If Jesus Christ is truly "The Holy Ghost" as documented by "The Trinity" - then - it was Jesus Christ who actually "knocked-up" His Own mother.
More controversy: Jesus Christ was conceived out of wedlock. The Bible documents it and Clergy never denies it.
If Jesus were anyone else, from a legal and a moral standpoint, wouldn't this birth be considered "illegitimate"? Throughout history, have righteous, holier-than-thou, Judeo-Christians ever ridiculed males - born out of wedlock - by calling them "bastards"? Of course, Christian believers would insist that the term "Bastard" could never apply to Jesus. But, would the term "bastard" apply if this "thing" were not Jesus Christ?
|Jesus of Nazareth|
No undisputed record of what Jesus Christ looked like is known to exist.
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No cause / death disputed (Islamic belief)
"Jesus of Nazareth" (c 4 BC/BCE - c 30 AD / CE) - also known as "Jesus Christ" or occasionally Jesus the Christ - Who is the central figure of Christianity.
Webster's International & Oxford American Dictionaries
The "Immaculate Conception" is a doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church in that the Virgin Mary, from the moment of her conception by her mother, was and remained free of original sin. This was proclaimed as dogma by Pope Pious IX in 1854. It is often confused with Mary giving "virgin birth" to Jesus Christ.
Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia
The "Immaculate Conception" Has To Do With "The Virgin Mary's" Mother?
Webster's: "Virgin Birth" (Parthenogenesis): In Christian theology, Jesus Christ was born to Mary without prejudice to her virginity. Mary was Jesus' only human (genetic) parent. With no Human DNA contributed, by modern day standards, Jesus must have been a clone of Mary.
If Jesus Christ qualified to be a clone of "The Virgin Mary", wouldn't Jesus Christ have been born female?
Human = 23 Chromosomes from Mom + 23 From Dad
According to "The Virgin Birth" claim, Jesus, genetically, can only have Human chromosomes which were derived from His mother, Mary. If it takes 46 Human chromosomes to fully qualify to be a Human Being, how can Jesus Christ fully qualify to be a Human Being? The Biblical God and the Holy Ghost claim not to be to be Human. Doesn't Jesus Christ have to be fully Human, to live as a Human Being and to be sacrificed as a "perfect" Human Being for the "salvation" of all Humanity? If Jesus Christ is not a full and perfect Human Being, does that in any way disqualify the insane, sacrifice agenda that the Biblical God predestined, pre-planned preordained, intended, orchestrated and executed?
Some Catholics maintain that "The Virgin Mary" remained a virgin all her life. Logically, how can any woman physically remain a virgin if a child came through her vaginal birth canal? There is no mention of Jesus Christ being born by cesarean section. Also, if Mary remained a virgin, where did Jesus' brothers James, Joses, Judas and Simon come from? There is no Biblical evidence that Mary's husband, Joseph, brought children into their marriage.
A recent study numbers Human genes to be only about 20,500:
Luke 2:7 & John 2:12 also provide evidence that Jesus had brothers and sisters.
Specifically, if "The Virgin Mary" sexually consummated her marriage with Joseph to make the marriage legal and she had more children, how could Mary have remained a virgin?
If "The Virgin Mary" did not "sexually consummate" her marriage with Joseph - then - they were not married under the law.
"The Virgin Birth" is Biblical absurdity! Faith (nonsense) apparently can be stretched to infinity.
Why do some believers, mostly Catholics, insist that Mary maintained her virginity after Jesus was born?
Because Mark 6:3 documents: Is He (Jesus) not the son of Mary, the brother of James, Joses, Judas and Simon?
Would a Christian believer ever admit that the Bible contradicts itself?
C. Dennis McKinsey: Christianity stands or falls upon The Virgin Birth and The Resurrection.
Ok. Let's test the logical and reasonable integrity of:
Matthew 12:40 Jesus prophesied: For as Jonas was 3 days and 3 nights in the whale's belly so shall the Son of Man be 3 days and 3 nights in the heart of the Earth.
Question: How can Jesus Christ's burial on "Good Friday" afternoon and His resurrection before day-break "Easter Sunday" qualify to be 3 days and 3 nights - as prophesied by Jesus?
Did Jesus Resurrect From His Grave After 3 Days & 3 Nights?
Let's catch up with Joseph, Mary and Baby Jesus:
Matthew 1:19 Joseph was minded to put Mary away privately. KJV
What? Joseph was thinking of killing Mary at one point in time?
Matthew 1:19 Joseph, at one point, had decided to divorce Mary quietly. Catholic
Divorce is serious, but in this case divorce is not necessary if Joseph and Mary were not yet married. What is the real story?
Matthew 1:19 is one C&V example whereby the KJV and the Catholic versions do state different things. The KJV states that Joseph thought to kill Mary; whereby, the Catholic version has Joseph, at one point, deciding to quietly divorce Mary. Oh, what to believe!
Concerning the topic of "DIVORCE" - according to Jeremiah 3:8 - the Biblical God is a divorcee.
The Biblical God issued a "bill of divorce" to Israel due to her infidelity and her worshipping of other gods.
Because most Catholics rarely read their Bible, how many Catholics know this? Because this Bible C&V exists concerning the Catholic Church's God-Model - why is the Catholic Church against divorce? All Christian believers want to be god-like - don't they? Jesus broke with God's divorce law. Concerning divorce, do Catholics believe Jesus or do they believe God?
Is it Jesus or is it God who sends us to Hell and "Eternal Torment"? If God judges you to go to Hell and Jesus is your savior, how does that work if Jesus-the-Son, and God-the-Father, are one and the same?
Two Catholic Bible Notes (BN):
BN 1. The genetic line is broken, but the promises to David are fulfilled. Through Joseph’s ADOPTION, the child, Jesus, belongs to the line of David.
What? Adoption? What is this Catholic Bible Note saying? Jesus Christ's blood-tie to King David is now being claimed, spun-off and pacified to be by "adoption"?
Both Matthew 1:6-16 & Luke 3:23-31 show two conflicting / contradictory / genetic lineages from King David through Joseph to Jesus Christ.
Pure, Righteous, Innocent David?
BN 2. Joseph wished to break his union with Mary whom he suspected of a gross violation of the law which was punishable by stoning one to death.
What! Wow! The 2 Catholic Bible Notes (BN) said these things?
Back in Luke 1:26-35 when God's Angel (Gabriel) told Mary: You will conceive and bear a son you will name Jesus.
Didn't Gabriel, know that the "Thing" was to be named Immanuel according to Isaiah 7:14?
When Bible prophesizes and forecasts promises that prove not to be valid nor consistent, doesn't that define, with integrity, "Bible Contradiction"?
Were Angels Gabriel & Michael God's Death Angels?
Do you know who are real Atheists?
Do you qualify to be an Atheist?
Is there only one God?
Is Jesus Christ the one God?
Is Jesus Christ the "One God of Abraham"?
Did Abraham know and identify Jesus Christ to be his one God?
Did Moses, King David and Abraham speak about Jesus Christ being their one god?
If Jesus Christ is "The One And The Only God Of Abraham" and because the Jewish and Muslims religions deny that Jesus Christ is God, then, all of the Jews and all of the Muslims prove to be Atheists to you.
If you do not believe in Allah (who is the same One-God of Abraham) and the Koran, Islam probably considers you to be an Atheist.
Perspectives from TV: "Mysteries Of The Bible"
Nazareth, today, is hallowed by Christians as the home of Jesus Christ. The Church of the Annunciation has for centuries been one of Christianity’s holy sites. The church was built on the site of the house of Mary and Joseph.
The Church Of The Annunciation?
Luke 1:36 (The Angel, Gabriel, said to Mary): Elizabeth, your relative, in her old age, is in her 6th month having conceived a son...
This pregnancy resulted in the birth of John the Baptist.
John the Baptist was Jesus Christ's 6-month-older cousin. John taught that people should repent and be baptized so that their sins would be forgiven by God. John also preached that the Messiah would come and baptize with the Holy Spirit, which was a far greater baptism than John could do.
So - was it a coincidence that John the Baptist and Jesus Christ were cousins just 6-months apart in age? John the Baptist later baptized Jesus Christ? Because Mary's relative, Elizabeth, was John the Baptist's mother, didn't this becoming a family orchestrated affair? How many have believed that Jesus Christ and John the Baptist were strangers when they met?
John The Baptist?
C. Dennis McKinsey: If Joseph was not the genetic father of Jesus Christ, then Jesus could not have been of King David's seed; thus, not the Messiah. Ergo, Christians must abandon either "The Virgin Birth" or that Jesus was "The Messiah". If the virgin birth is bogus, is anything else written about Jesus trustworthy? If Jesus is not virgin-born, then how can He be God?"
Thank you so much C. Dennis McKinsey!
The Cave of the Annunciation is where the Angel, Gabriel, announced to Mary of her conception of Jesus Christ. The Cave of the Annunciation is thought to be the dwelling place of the holy-family, which lies beneath the church.
Was Mary already living with Joseph when Gabriel made his announcement?
(Program comment.) The very idea of a "virgin birth" by human beings is something that transcends our scientific understanding.
In Bethlehem, there is The Church of the Nativity beneath which was a cave where Christ was supposedly born. For centuries, Christians have revered it as the birthplace of their Lord. Outside is manger square. A silver star marks the place where Jesus was said to be born. A Latin inscription says: Here Jesus Christ was born of The Virgin Mary.
The Church Of The Nativity
Finis: Mysteries of the Bible.
Galatians 4:4 Paul said: Jesus was made of a woman made under the law..KJV
Galatians 4:4 Paul said: Jesus was born of a woman born under the law.. Catholic
Paul was the biggest NT writer about Jesus. Paul said nothing unusual about the birth of Jesus. Doesn't "born under the law" mean that Mary had married Joseph, had sex with Joseph and bore Jesus legitimately under the law?
Btw, if Mary did maintain her "virginity" throughout her life, as Catholics claim, then Joseph never had sex with Mary. If Joseph never sexually consummated their marriage, under Judeo-Christian law, Mary and Joseph were never legally married.
Mark, the 1st and earliest gospel writer of the 4, also said nothing unusual about the birth of Jesus. Did Matthew and Luke read in Mark 1:11: You are my beloved son in whom I am well pleased and then back up their own stories to include a virgin birth? Did Matthew write about it first? Did Luke then plagiarize (borrow) this "virtual reality" from Matthew?
Did the OT prophecies speak to the NT writers loud and clear? One prophecy was: The Messiah would be a descendant of King David, one of Israel’s greatest leaders who was born in Bethlehem. To fulfill these ancient Davidic prophecies, it may have seemed right to the gospel writers to place the birth of Jesus in Bethlehem. But is the prophecy being fulfilled or is the questionable myth of Jesus Christ being written to fulfill prophecy? Some think that Jesus was born in a cave. Luke says Jesus was laid in a manger but does not say He was born there.
Rev 22:16 Jesus said: I am the root and the offspring of David...
Both Matthew 1:1-16 and Luke 3:23-31 conflict in Joseph's lineage in being a blood descendant of King David. The lineage is stated to be through Joseph in both cases - not "The Virgin" Mary's lineage - as apologist clergy can't help but spin. How else can Clergy attempt to justify it? How can Jesus be a blood descendant of King David if the genes had to go through Joseph as it is written twice, both in Matthew and Luke? The blood / genes did not go from King David through Joseph to Jesus Christ. Stating with David's sons, Solomon and Nathan, why are the names not the same in each lineage? No Biblical C&V claims that the lineage is through Mary? Does the Bible again prove to be irrational, nonsensical and flawed? At best, the issue of Jesus' lineage is Biblically unclear.
Luke 2:52 Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and man.
What? Jesus increased in favor with God? Then, Jesus certainly is not God.
Mark 2:10 Jesus said: You may know that The Son of Man has the authority to forgive sins on Earth.
Didn't the Jews considered that to be blasphemy? Yes, it contributed to Jesus getting crucified. Do Jews claim there to be any valid history concerning Jesus? If so, let's see the quality and the source of the Jewish documentation. Let's see how many Jewish Rabbis would support such documentation.
Mark 2:17 & Luke 5:31 Jesus said: Those who are healthy and well do not need a physician, but the sick do.
What? Didn't Jesus Christ say, right here, that "the sick need a physician"?
Colossians 4:14 Luke was a physician.
Luke was born a Greek gentile.
Dr. Luke - The Greek Gentile?
Concerning physicians, why do Christian Scientists ignore these last 2 Biblical C&V passages and avoid physicians? Don't Christian Scientists believe Jesus Christ's Own words? Don't they believe in His apostle, "Saint Luke"? Do they just pick and choose what C&Vs to believe in and what C&Vs do not matter? Hummm. I admit that I personally select the controversial Bible C&Vs that jump off the page for me.
Truth, feelings and learning may be subjective while objective C&V facts are the same for all and everybody. The Bibles own words will not conveniently go away for fact-spinning believers.
Luke 2:52 And Jesus increased in wisdom, stature and IN FAVOR with God...... and man.
Whoa! Jesus - who IS God - increased IN FAVOR with God? How many questions / issues does Luke 2:52 bring into reality?
John 3:13 Jesus said: No one has gone up to Heaven except the One who has come down from Heaven, The Son of Man.
But, when Jesus said this, Jesus, Himself, had not yet gone up to Heaven. If Jesus, Himself, is the only one to have gone up to Heaven, doesn't that contradict and eliminate Enoch's going up to Heaven in Genesis 5:22-24 and Elijah's going up to Heaven in a whirlwind in II Kings 2:11 and Angels going up and down, to and from Heaven on "Jacob's Ladder" in Genesis 28:12? So, did Jesus Christ utter another falsehood here? Did Jesus get caught in documenting another lie?
Mark 3:20-22 Jesus came home. His relatives set out to seize Him (Jesus) and said that He (Jesus) was out of His mind and that He (Jesus) was possessed by Satan.
What? Talk about two important testimonies! Jesus Christ's Own relatives said that 1. "Jesus had Satan in Him" and 2. that "Jesus was out of His mind"? Wow! Jesus had been around His own relatives for years and He obviously did not sell even them on His perfection. These are two very shocking testimonies! What kind of Biblical C&V testimonies did Jesus Christ's blood relatives give Him? Do you think that Jesus' relatives could possibly get to Heaven?
Mark 3:29 Jesus said: Whoever blasphemes against The Holy Spirit will never have forgiveness, but is guilty of everlasting sin.
Jesus' relatives are definitely in for it. If Jesus Christ is the "Holy Spirit", it is obvious that Jesus' relatives have committed the "unpardonable sin" and you and I can probably expect to see them in Hell for eternity.
Btw, is Jesus' forgiveness conditional or is His forgiveness not conditional? Based on Jesus' statement in Mark 3:29, can one have it both ways?
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Yes! John 3:16 is an accurate and descriptive summery of the perfect, loving, compassionate, and totally "just and fair" God of the Holy Bible. For all who have eyes to see and ears to hear - God documented C&V - that God, Himself, personally arranged for "His only begotten Son" to be tortured and murdered personally for you - and the rest of the world. Of course, if you are infected by "The Holy Spirit" virus, you will be blind and deaf to the reality of this evil / murderous agenda. Jesus Christ, the "Holier Than Thou", opportunist, obviously had a great dose of "The God Virus" drug. Jesus committed "suicide by cross" because Jesus bought into God's promise that He would come back to life and be the ultimate, authoritative King over everybody - forever and ever. After all, Jesus always had His documented "transfigured body" that He could escape to during any painful period of time. Didn't He? Typically, nice, pure-hearted, empathetic and wholesome Christian believers demand and insist that Jesus suffered every precious moment of pain and agony while on the cross - because they are worth it. No, seriously. "Thank you, Jesus, for suffering and dying for Me!". "If I could just get more people to die for me, I'd feel even more important." We have all heard this wonderful Christian dogma - and there is no denial - you're worth it. You've just got to love the wholesomeness and sweetness of the Christian mentality - warts and all.
John 3:36 Jesus said: Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever disobeys the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains upon him. Catholic
This confirms that "believes in" is "obeying" and that Jesus wants to be obeyed. And, if you and I disobey Jesus Christ, we will not see life and the wrath of God will be upon us.
Doesn't Jesus demand obedience? If you do not obey Jesus, won't you will get "God's Wrath" - which is death and eternal torment? Either you obey, support and promote Jesus Christ, or you will get "the wrath of God". If this is the case, doesn't Jesus Christ prove to be a sadistic tyrant. Satan amounts to the best supporting "extra" in this evil production.
Satan: Best Supporting Extra?
Obedience, service and sacrifice to authority - this is the real agenda of the God-game. "God" and "Authority" are synonymous and interchangeable in every Biblical context. Test it.
Mark 3:21-22 Jesus' relatives set out to seize Him stating that Jesus was out of His mind. The Jewish scribes said that Jesus was possessed by Satan. Catholic
Mark 3:29 Jesus said: Whoever blasphemes against The Holy Spirit will never have forgiveness, but is guilty of an everlasting sin.
Mark 3:32-35 The crowd told Jesus: Your mother, brothers and sisters are outside and they are asking for You. Jesus said: Who are my mother, brothers and sisters? Here are my mother, brothers and sisters for whoever does the will of God is my mother brothers and sisters. Catholic
This indicates that Jesus' mother, brothers and sisters were actually rejected by Jesus because they did not do the will of God. Jesus proved to prefer the company of those who listened to Him over His own family.
Mark 4:11-12 Jesus said to His 12 disciples: The mystery of the Kingdom has been granted to you. To those outside, everything comes in parables so that they may not understand in order that they may not be converted and forgiven. Catholic
Why the secrets? First of all, did Jesus also grant the Kingdom of Heaven to Judas Iscariot when He said this? Does Jesus speak to everyone outside of his 12 disciples in a manner that they may not understand? Does Jesus talk to them in a way that they can not be converted or forgiven? God often did the same thing in The Old Testament. Here are some examples:
I Kings 22:19-23 God permits His prophets to lie and deceive others on His behalf. God put a lying spirit in the mouths of all these prophets…
What? Do you personally believe in and preach these sacred Chapter & Verses?
How about this one:
Ezekiel 20:25-28 God said: I gave them statutes and ordinances that were not good so they could not live.
Wouldn't you think that the Biblical God (your creator) would be more decent than that.
II Thessalonians 2:11-12 God is sending them a deceiving power so that they may believe the lie, that all who approved wrongdoing may be condemned.
John 4:22 Jesus said: You people worship what you do not understand. We worship what we understand, because salvation is of the Jews. KJV
What? Salvation is a racial thing? Didn't Jesus make a racial statement?
I'll help you. Yes.
Mark 4:34 To His Own disciples Jesus explained everything in private.
To His Own Disciples Jesus Explained Everything In Private
Again, why the secrets if Jesus is good, open, transparent, sincere and honest? What kind of "models of integrity" are Jesus and God projecting themselves to be, C&V. How can institutions like West Point and Annapolis expect to live up to a higher standard than God's and Jesus' C&V standards?
Galatians 5:16-18 Live by the spirit and you will not fulfill the lusts of your flesh. The flesh desires against the spirit and the spirit against the flesh; these are opposed to each other so you may not do what you want. If you are guided by the spirit, you are not under the law.
So, if you are on God's side - you can break the law? What? If you are guided by "the spirit", you are not under the law? Aren’t these Biblical guidelines designed for poor mental-health and penitentiary living?
Thomas Paine: Outside of the New Testament writings, there is no history written at the time Jesus Christ is said to have lived that speaks of the existence of such a person, even as a man.
So - Thomas Paine asserts that, on behalf of history, Jesus Christ never lived as a man! Wow! That is apt to frustrate some believers.
Well - maybe Josephus. He was a documented, historical Jewish writer. Many scholars view that the few elementary statements Josephus is credited to have written about Jesus may have been added by later scribes to falsely validate the questionable and mythical existence of Jesus Christ.
Are these C&V passages surprising and controversial to you? Relax and check your mood about them.
Believers have said: I am totally upset. I don't know how anybody can take such issues with my Jesus, my God and my Bible. I'm totally offended! You're going to Hell!
Don't re-cycle your dogma and belief. Question your way out of any confusion, anger or depression. Can you trust yourself and ask the questions you dare not ask?
John 5:18 The Jews tried to kill Jesus because He not only broke the Sabbath but He also called God His Own Father, making Himself equal to God.
If Jesus is stated to be "equal to" God, how can Jesus actually be God? How can any father and son be, in reality, the same person?
John 5:19-30 Jesus said: A son can't do anything on his own, only what he sees his father do for what he does his son will do also. (Oh yeah, what about the brain-surgeon whose father sold cars?) Just as the Father raises the dead so does the Son give life to whomever He wishes. (What? Jesus does discriminate?) Whoever honors the Son honors the Father and whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father. (So, one can not honor God without Jesus? No wonder Muslims, Jews and numerous other believers are upset.) Whoever hears Me and believes in God has eternal life and not condemnation. The hour is now here when the dead will hear the voice of Jesus and those who hear will live. God gave Jesus the power to exercise judgment, because He is The Son of Man. The hour comes when all who are in the tombs will hear His voice and will come out. Good deeds is resurrection of life; wicked deeds, condemnation. I cannot do anything on My own. I judge as I hear. I don’t seek My Own will but the will of God.
Jesus judges deeds / works! Jesus seeks God’s will, not His Own? Again, by Jesus' own words, how can Jesus be God?
John 5:21-22 As God raises the dead and gives life, so does the Son give life to whomever He wishes. Nor does God judge anyone, but He has given all judgment to His Son.
What? God judges no one? It is Jesus Christ who discriminates, judges, picks and chooses and determines who goes to Heaven and if you are to go to Hell? Did you know that, according to the words of Jesus Christ, Jesus judges you and God does not?
John 8:15 & 12:47 Jesus said: I judge no man. KJV
Oops. How would a fundamentalist preacher explain this Bible contradiction?
John 6:64-70 Jesus knew from the beginning who would not believe Him and who would betray Him. No one can come to Me unless he is chosen by God. As a result many of His disciples left Him. Jesus said: Do you also want to leave? Did I not choose you twelve. Yet, is not one of you a devil?
It is all predestined? God chose the 12? Then, it's Jesus Who chose the 12? Jesus lost many? Why? Couldn't Jesus hold their respect or attention? Didn't they believe in Jesus? Jesus chose a devil, Judas? Why would Jesus do that? If God is in control and it is all predestined, including Jesus' sacrifice, why would a good, nice, knowledgeable, secure, compassionate, loving God put humanity, including His own Son, through such a heinous, horrible and painful scenario? How can believers support such an insane Character? Could Judas be condemned for fulfilling God's will?
Andrew Bartholomew Peter John Jude Thomas
Philip Simmon James James the Less Matthew Thaddaeus
Mark 3:5 Jesus, looking around at them with anger..
Tsk, tsk. Jesus Christ has a temper.
Matthew 5:22 Jesus said: Whoever is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment.
What? Do as I say - not as I do?
Matthew 5:22 Jesus said: Whoever says "you fool" will be liable to fiery Gehenna. Catholic
Matthew 23:17 & Luke 11:40 Jesus refers to others as fools.
If Jesus' statement is true - Jesus will be in Gehenna / Hell along with the rest of us.
Bible Dictionary: Gehenna - NT Hell - OT "Valley of Hinnom", A place of burning torment and misery located near Jerusalem and where children were sacrificed to God. Catholic BN.
What? This Catholic Bible Note says children were sacrificed to God - not to Moab or other gods. How would a fundamentalist spin this?
Gehenna Valley Of Hinnom
Frederick Nietzsche: Convictions are greater enemies of truth than are lies.
John 1-1: The Jews sought to kill Jesus.
John 1:5 Jesus' brothers did not believe Him.
Who knew Jesus better than His own brothers? Yet, Jesus' brothers did not believe Jesus.
John 1:16 Jesus said, My doctrine is not Mine, but His that sent Me.
Jesus admits here that He was not God and that God was a He (Male gender).
John 5:34 Jesus said: I do not accept testimony from a human being… Catholic
What? Then - how does Jesus Christ's not accepting Human testimony affect prayer? Calling all believers - did you know this? Check out John 5:34 for yourself. Even the KJV says it in its "Old English" way. You do believe every word of the "Holy" Bible - don't you?
Mark 5:27-30 A woman touched Jesus' cloak. Jesus was aware, at once, that power had gone out from Him.
A Woman Touched Jesus & The Power Went Out From Him?
What? Doesn't this C&V mean that Jesus had conditional, limited, depleting and uncontrollable power? Doesn't this mean than a Human Being can control and deplete Jesus' power? If the Bible C&V is factual, what else can it possibly mean?
Matthew 5:28 Jesus said: Everyone who looks at a woman with lust has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
President Jimmy Carter seemed to have generated a guilty conscience concerning this C&V.
Matthew 5:29 Jesus said: If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out, throw it away. It is better to lose one of your members than to have your whole body thrown into Gehenna.
If Your Right Eye Causes You To Sin, Tear It Out, Throw It Away?
Wow! Jesus promoted insane and painful violence! Mom? Are you sure you want your child to do everything Jesus said? You won't mind if your teenage son tears one of his eyes out because he felt "lust in his heart" for a pretty young girl - would you?
Luke 12:5 Jesus said: I shall show you Who to fear. Be afraid of the One who after killing has the power to cast into Gehenna; yes, I tell you, be afraid of that One. Catholic
Why would Jesus emphasize Gehenna, the place of child-sacrifice to make His points? Isn’t Jesus showing you right here to be afraid of God or to fear Himself? Jesus’ Gehenna (Hell), was a fiery pit outside Jerusalem and is now long extinct. Then Hell too is history and no longer exists. Some don’t want it that way, you say? Why the Gehenna not?
John 5:30 I can do nothing Myself... because I don't seek My own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent Me.
Jesus admits again that he is not God.
2 Corinthians 8:9 Paul wrote: For you know that, though Jesus was rich, for your sakes He (Jesus) became poor…
Whoever would have thought that the Bible documented that at one time Jesus was rich? So, Jesus Christ was rich and then became poor. People who are suicidal do tend to give their possessions away. Jesus also became a model for those who cannot handle saving / keeping their money.
Pastor Arnold Murray claims that "The Lake of Fire" is "God the consuming fire" and that "Hell" does not exist until after the "Millennium" and "Judgment Day". See - Pastor Arnold Murray's Ezekiel: http://www.thegodmurders.com/id198.html
The Lake Of Fire?
Matthew 5:32 Jesus said: Whoever divorces his wife causes her to commit adultery and who ever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
Again, speaking of divorce, do you now recall and know that the Biblical God is a documented divorcee according to Jeremiah 3:8?
Believers cannot question their beliefs. The paradox is if they do question their belief, they prove not to believe it.
John 5:31 Jesus said: If I bear witness of Myself, My witness is not true. KJV
What? Holy Jesus! What is Jesus Christ saying here about Himself? Does Jesus admit to being a liar when bearing witness of Himself? How would you explain Jesus' testimony?
If I Bear Witness Of Myself, My Witness Is Not True?
Matthew 11:19 The Son of Man came eating and drinking and they said: Look, He (Jesus Christ) is a glutton and a drunkard…. Catholic
What? Who, right here, is accused of being a drunkard? Jesus is accused of being a glutton and a drunkard? What a reputation? Obviously, Jesus loved His wine. Again, how does the AA 12-step program handle this C&V?
WHAT has been generously supplied for those who are still too afraid to question.
Luke 5:39 Jesus said: No one who has been drinking old wine desires new, for Jesus says: The old is good.
This strongly suggests that Jesus desired old wine - the good stuff? I wonder how this C&V fits into the Alcohol Anonymous 12-step program. See: http://www.thegodmurders.com/id129.html
John 5:41 Jesus said: I do not accept human praise… Catholic
What! Do the people who wrote Christian songs and church prayers know or believe these words spoken, C&V, by Jesus Christ, Himself? Have you ever tried to manipulate / beg Jesus Christ or God with praise in prayer?
John 5:45 Jesus said: I will not accuse you. The one who will accuse you is Moses…
What? What? Moses? This is ridiculous! Where else is this ever claimed? So - who accuses you? God? Jesus? The Jews? Moses? The Saints? How would an English or a law professor rate John’s writings? He is literally all over the place.
Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. KJV
Does anybody understand this KJV C&V? This requires super-spin to gain any sense out of these words. What written KJV C&V better qualifies as Biblical nonsense and idiocy than Romans 11:6?
Jesus Said: I Do Not Accept Human Praise.
Mark 6:4-7 Jesus couldn’t do many miracles in His homeland due to their lack of faith.
Must Jesus have a non-familiar audience before His miracles can be performed? This certainly shows some of Jesus' limitations. Who really knew Jesus better than the people in his homeland. It indicated that those who truly knew Jesus didn't much believe in Him. What else could it mean?
Mark 6:10 Jesus said: Wherever you enter a house, stay there until you leave from there. Catholic
Isn’t this Catholic version a somewhat strange C&V? I guess a "believer" would understand and obey Jesus' command.
Mark 6:11 Jesus said: When a place does not welcome or listen to you, leave there, shake the dust from your feet in testimony against them.
Does Jesus mean: If you don’t get your way with people, to testify against and oppose them? Jesus is obviously not happy when He does not get His way.
If You Are Not Welcome - Be In Testimony Against Them?
Is Jesus Christ "The Son of God"?
John 10:36 Jesus Christ said: Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? KJV
Some believers insist that Jesus never claimed to be "The Son of God" because John 10:36 is in question form.
Q: If Jesus Christ did not claim to be "The Son of God" then why do you claim that Jesus is "The Son of God"?
How many believers would claim that Jesus said: Say of Me, God sanctified and sent Me into the world. You claim that I blasphemed because "I said" (I did say): "I am The Son of God"?
I view that Jesus Christ did claim to be "The Son of God".
Q: If Jesus Christ is "The Son of God" - then - how can Jesus Christ be God, Himself?
This work focuses on selected controversial Bible passages. Paraphrased? Yes. If they were not paraphrased it would be 4-5 times longer - and boring. Many, who learn some of these concentrated facts become afraid, not bored. It often triggers thought where thought has not been before. This work gives you most of its C&V sources. This is not a work of perfection. Neither are the Bibles perfect that this work takes issue with. The King James and Catholic Bibles don’t always use the same words but they do basically say the same things, Chapter and Verse.
Is the Biblical God the fear-based model behind the horrible and destructive history of mankind? In the discovery process, I personally felt hurt by what the Bible’s words said, and was shocked by what they meant. My research had many starts and stops. In attempting to cover this material, you may experience surprise, shock, frustration, anger, confusion and anxiety. Some, who are out of touch with Biblical reality, consider it a joke. Some say that I’m nuts or insane because I take issue with the Bible and its God. Insults are often used when debating skills are limited. When you consider the vast centuries of religion (fear-programming) our genes must have absorbed, it becomes a little obvious why most people fearfully avoid learning about their Bible and its God
Is The Bible A Fear-Based Model For Mankind?
From thinking to doing: To evaluate this investigation, get out a Bible and see how much you can handle. Every time I threw up my hands and quit, I found myself in some form of denial. To get through this research, I had to put my ego in my pocket. When I didn’t, I tended to jump on everything - format, interpretation, Biblical source and denial of the stated facts, in favor of my own hopes, idealism, and feel-good fantasies. Again, up front, the three Bibles do not always say nor mean exactly the same thing, chapter and verse. Often, the Bible source concerning a particular passage is indicated: KJV, Torah etc.
I found to seek truth, justice and reality, there was little room for loyalty, patriotism, love, friendship, rank or respect. I decided, for success, to be on the side of reality. Facts and evidence concerning the Bible, lies within the words written - and their factual meanings; not my idealism nor feel-good fantasies. The words of these Bibles just will not go away. I often wanted to write-off all clear-cut and damning evidence in an imaginative way or to protect my “beliefs” (programmed feelings) by avoiding the topic.
Do We Seek The Truth?
When I mustered the courage to point out some of these selected Bible passages to others, I quickly found that it often triggered their wrath. Granted, some were fascinated with my find. Others waged an attitude. I asked some of them:
Why are you upset? Do the selected C&Vs say what they mean and mean what they say? What do you want them to mean?
Are you upset because these passages do exist in your Bible?
Are you upset because these passages were pointed out to you?
Are you upset because you can not successfully defend them?
In 1982, the beginning of this research, I could not be critical of the Bible nor question its God. I asked myself if I was categorically brainwashed and mind-set because I couldn’t question nor be critical of my commitments. It seemed that I often wanted to quit and run. To be honest, I often did quit and run. Completing this book report on the Bible and its God was probably the hardest thing I’ve ever done. Now, I’m not scared anymore, but throughout my education, I did have my moments. I do hope it goes easier for you. GWD
Personally Afraid To Investigate?
Matthew 6:24 Jesus said: No one can serve 2 masters. He will either hate one and love the other, or be devoted to one and despise the other.
Isn’t Jesus living / teaching hate and discrimination?
Matthew 6:25&34 Jesus said: Don’t worry about your life or about your body. Don’t worry about tomorrow; tomorrow will take care of itself. Catholic
Have you ever heard any parents tell this to their kids? Would you tell this to your kids? Do you believe Jesus told you this?
Luke 6:27-37 Jesus said: Love your enemies. Do good to those who hate you. Bless those who curse you. Pray for those who mistreat you. When struck, offer the other cheek. If they take your cloak, offer your tunic. If one takes it, don’t demand it back. Do onto others as you would have them do unto you. Stop judging and you will not be judged.
I have been often hurt when I made decisions without judgment. With mean opportunists and predators, the lack of judgment may lead to mistreatment, violence, theft or worse.
Matthew 7:6 Jesus said: Do not give what is holy to dogs or throw your pearls before swine…
Poor debaters often use this C&V as a parting insult when they can't win a Bible C&V debate.
Do Not Throw Your Pearls Before Swine
Highly financed preachers put out Biblical C&V to millions of people every week. There are only a few who take issue with some of the C&Vs the preachers preach. Let the millions decide after learning both sides of the C&V issues.
In Matthew 15:21-28, did Jesus (who was a Jew) allude dogs and swine to be non-Jews? Was that a racist statement?
"The Golden Rule"?
Matthew 7:12 Jesus said: "DO unto others whatever you would have them DO unto you."
This "The Golden Rule" commandment by Jesus Christ has little legal or moral virtue compared to one 500 years earlier.
Confucius wrote: "Do NOT do to others what you would NOT have them do to you."
This statement is much more rational, ethical, moral, legal and civilized than Jesus' statement. For example, if a person should like to be painfully sodomized and Jesus encourages him to do to others what he would like others to do to him - Jesus' commandment would be outright heinous.
Jesus Commanded: DO Unto Others Whatever You Would Have Them DO Unto You?
Masochist: Harder - Damn You! Don't Stop - I Luv It!
Matthew 7:21-23 Jesus said: Not everyone who says Lord to Me will enter Heaven, only the one who does the will of God. Many will say to Me on that day: "Lord, did we not prophesy and do good deeds in Your name?" "I will declare to them: I never knew you. Depart from Me you evildoers."
Why? Is there a set formula to salvation? Can you explain this?
John 7:24 Jesus said: Stop judging by appearances, but judge justly. Catholic
AH, To judge or not to judge: That is the question.
John 6:44 Jesus said: No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draw him, and I will raise him on the last day. KJV
So, this time it’s God, not Jesus, Moses or the Jews who decides? God must draw me to be saved by Jesus? I have no say or free will in the matter? And, Jesus will raise me when? Is everybody, although they die at different times, raised and judged at the same time? Biblically, what happens to us in the interim? (This is described in the book of Ezekiel concerning the millennium.)
While I am dead, am I excluded of God? Clergy explanations seem to range from Godzilla to Bambi. Some say: Jesus is God just because I say He is and don’t debate with me - about anything. They say that judgment concerning God is unnecessary and avoidable and to just have faith, believe and most of all to obey or I will surely go to hell. They used to scare me, but they don’t any more.
John 6:53-58 Jesus said: Unless you eat My flesh and drink My blood you do not have life within you. My flesh is true food and My blood is true drink. Who feeds on Me will have life because of Me forever.
Jesus Demands That You Eat His Flesh & Drink His Blood?
Could Jeffery Dahmer, who was imprisoned for cannibalism and was killed in prison, have taken this passage seriously?
What did Moses’ God say about God’s law and the drinking of blood in Leviticus 7:27&17:11-12?
Why did Jesus promote, even symbolically, the drinking of His blood, if the drinking of blood was strictly forbidden by God?
Paul, a Jew, was the Christian hunter / killer, who Jesus Christ chose to create and promote His Christian Church. None of Jesus' 11 remaining disciples, including Peter - "The First Pope” - created even one church for Jesus Christ. Ergo, the first Christian Churches were all created by Paul - the former Christian hunter / killer. God certainly does work in strange ways. Paul confessed that he robbed churches and wages to service others. By the way, when has Jesus Christ ever been “King of the Jews”?
Acts 18:5-6 Paul devoted himself exclusively to preaching and testifying to the Jews that Jesus was the Messiah. But they opposed Paul and became abusive. In protest, Paul said to them, “Your blood be on your own heads! I am innocent of it. From now on I will go to the Gentiles.”
Acts 26:10-11 Paul said: What I did in Jerusalem was on the authority of the chief priests. I put many of the Lord’s people in prison. When they (the Christians) were to be put to death, I cast my vote against them. Many a time I went from one synagogue to another to have them (the Christians) punished. I was obsessed with persecuting them. I hunted them down in foreign cities.
2 Corinthians 11:8 Paul said / confessed: I robbed other churches, taking wages of them, to do you service.
Paul, an admitted thief and killer, was God's and Jesus Christ’s choice to begin Christianity through the Church system. Paul and Peter did not get along. Peter preached “God’s Law” to "God's Chosen" Jews. Paul abandoned “God’s Law” in favor of preaching “God’s Grace” to the Pagan Gentiles.
Revelation 20:15 Anyone whose name was not found in the Lamb’s book of life was thrown into the pool of fire.
Isn’t that predestination?
Revelation 21:27 Nothing unclean or defiles shall enter Heaven, only whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.
Ephesians 1:4 He chose us before the foundation of the world.
Isn’t this interesting? To choose is to discriminate. Is this predestination, no free will, an already done deal, a stacked deck? If Jesus knows what is predestined, then there is no free will. Then salvation-wise, how can it matter what one does or doesn’t do? If what we do serves God while serving evil, then, what’s the use in trying to be saved and what does that say about God?
Does our U. S. government follow this God-model, from the top, for control purposes? Do we cast a blind eye toward that probability by virtue of it being Biblically directed?
Mark 7:19 Jesus declared all foods to be clean. Catholic
Did Jesus break with God’s food laws given by Moses which are found in Leviticus?
Matthew 8:21-22 One disciple said to Jesus: Lord, let me go first and bury my father. Jesus answered him: Follow Me and let the dead bury the dead.
Does this show Jesus as a role-model of compassion? Is He sensitive to a disciple in pain due to the death of a loved-one? Jesus’ agenda seems to always come first. But then, at Lazarus’s tomb:
John 11:35 Jesus wept. KJV
This is the shortest verse in both the 66 book KJV Bible and the 73 book Catholic Bible.
John 8:29 Jesus said: God has not let Me alone as I always do what is pleasing to Him.
John 8:34 Jesus said: Everyone who commits a sin is a slave to sin.
Is A Believer A Slave Chained To Belief?
This verse seems extremely accurate when it is applied to unwanted and destructive addictions like smoking cigarettes or shooting heroin. Remember, you cannot be addicted to cigarettes or to heron. You can only be addicted to your own genetic feeling. No feeling - no addiction.
Is Jesus Christ the supernatural Biblical God? Can the Biblical God die? Did Jesus die on the cross for the sins of mankind? If Jesus Christ is the supernatural God, didn't "know-it-all" God / Jesus know that He would continue to live beyond the cross? If Jesus Christ knew that He could not die, exactly what did Jesus sacrifice for the sins of mankind?
The Pharisees were Jewish clergy who wanted all Jews to live according to the 613 Torah commandments (the law). Jesus taught that those commandments could be violated when it was more humane or convenient to do so. Jesus' breaking of God's law angered the Pharisees, so they sought to have Jesus executed.
Here is a little known Inter-Bible controversy: Early Greek manuscripts of the Matthew Gospel mention the first name of Barabbas; the name is also Jesus.
New American Bible: Matthew 27:16-17 And at that time they had a notorious prisoner called (Jesus) Barabbas. So when they had assembled, Pilate said to them, "Which one do you want me to release to you, (Jesus) Barabbas, or Jesus called Messiah?"
Mark 14:61-64 The high priest asked Jesus: Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed? Jesus said, I am... They said: You have heard the blasphemy. They all condemned Him (Jesus Christ) as deserving to die. Catholic
Here Jesus admitted that He was "The Messiah" and "The Son of God". That is what got Jesus Christ tortured and crucified.
Jesus / God?
Mark 16: 18 Jesus said: They (believers) will pick up serpents with their hands and if they drink any deadly thing, it will not hurt them. Catholic
This was one of the last things that Jesus said to His disciples according to Mark. By saying this, Jesus proved to be insane or to be just plain wrong.
Mark 16:19 After Jesus spoke to them, He was taken up into Heaven and took His seat at the right hand of God.
One can not sit beside oneself - so - Jesus Christ can not be God.
Albert Schweitzer: The question which has so much exercised the minds of men - whether Jesus was the historic Christ - is answered in the sense that everything the historical Christ is, everything that is said of him, everything that is known of him, belongs to the world of the imagination, that is, the imagination of the Christian community, and therefore he has nothing to do with any man who belongs in the real world.
"Jesus Has Left The Building"
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